A deep dive into the 1943 paper by Rosenblueth, Wiener, and Bigelow, its historical context, and its continuing contributions to philosophy of science, diverse intelligences and more.
It's one of the things that keeps coming up - also recommend the Brain Inspired complexity discussion group, too. Maybe we'll start up the old cybernetics reading group as well. . .
Came up again in today's Brain Inspired: Complexity group re Turings 1950 paper. Presenter Colin Hale discusses how complexity was 'decoupled' from computing in favor of functionalism.
Teleology came up in a few ways, including the lenses used and to what effect simulants and replicants may hold, or 'carry water'. Interesting points made in favor of, and against, the means of breaking things down into components.
What I didn't cover here is how Wiener was somewhat hinting at his anti-aircraft work, which he could not discuss publicly. This has ties into why prediction and behavior analysis takes part of the broader goals here. Ty Sean Manion for reiterating this in the Brain Inspired complexity discussion on this paper
The subject of this post, the 1943 Teleology paper, will be covered next in Brain Inspired's (Paul Middlebrook's) Complexity Discussion Group! https://braininspired.co/complexity-group-email/ !
Mentioned this again today in Ekkolapto's "Unconventional Languages Modify Perception & Memories | Polymath Salon" today! I think there will be a behavior / purpose / chaos event coming up as well. Good times as always.
Having just finished the original paper, I found this article helpful. You bring out background issues that explain some of their passion.
Glad to hear it! Looking forward to the discussion ahead.
thanks for htis one....going throguh some old posts now and could see this having more use in recent cybernetics areas
It's one of the things that keeps coming up - also recommend the Brain Inspired complexity discussion group, too. Maybe we'll start up the old cybernetics reading group as well. . .
Came up again in today's Brain Inspired: Complexity group re Turings 1950 paper. Presenter Colin Hale discusses how complexity was 'decoupled' from computing in favor of functionalism.
Teleology came up in a few ways, including the lenses used and to what effect simulants and replicants may hold, or 'carry water'. Interesting points made in favor of, and against, the means of breaking things down into components.
"Nothing in Biology makes sense except in light of teleology"
Levin shared this on his YT a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZw1SuykB8
What I didn't cover here is how Wiener was somewhat hinting at his anti-aircraft work, which he could not discuss publicly. This has ties into why prediction and behavior analysis takes part of the broader goals here. Ty Sean Manion for reiterating this in the Brain Inspired complexity discussion on this paper
The subject of this post, the 1943 Teleology paper, will be covered next in Brain Inspired's (Paul Middlebrook's) Complexity Discussion Group! https://braininspired.co/complexity-group-email/ !
Mentioned this again today in Ekkolapto's "Unconventional Languages Modify Perception & Memories | Polymath Salon" today! I think there will be a behavior / purpose / chaos event coming up as well. Good times as always.